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[–]Rexam14 8222 points8223 points  (449 children)

I'm Italian but live abroad. Currently my brother is in one of the high risk zone in the north. He works at the university as a researcher, today he went to work and the laboratory was empty. Starting from tomorrow the uni told him to stay at home and that the structure will be temporary closed. He was planning an exchange with a laboratory in Ireland for April but I think it's canceled. He's worried of course and a bit bored too but he understands that the situation is critical and that we have to give our contribution to avoid the spreading.

My cousin is in Bologna where the situation is surreal. According to him, no one is on the streets and the the supermarket got assaulted multiple times from people concerning that they would have run out of food (which is not going to happen since supplies are guaranteed).

My parents live in a small city in the south where only four cases were registered in the entire region so far, so they are not much concerned, but they are taking precautions if the situation will get worse and they are trying to stay at home when possible. Luckily their jobs are not at risk because my mother works in public administration and my father can work on remote.

I live in Germany instead. Yesterday I went to a pharmacy and I could get a couple of face masks "just in case". The ladies there understood from my accent I wasn't German, so they asked me where I was coming from. As soon as I said I was Italian they "jumped away". I felt like I needed to specify I was living here and had no contact with Italy since December. That felt bad.

[–]kimchispatzle 5027 points5028 points  (235 children)

Well now you know what it's like to be Asian. People just freaking out when they see someone Asian...

[–]Rexam14 2600 points2601 points  (159 children)

You are right, personally I have never acted racist towards Asians when the spreading started, but many Italians did it. There was a viral video showing a guy from Philippines in a supermarket getting punched by an Italian who was convinced he was Chinese.

I think we deserve this after all. Hope Italians will learn the lesson.

Edit: since some people misunderstood my words, I'm editing this for a clarification: I never meant that Italians deserve to be infected. What I wanted to point out with the sentence above is that I believe that if you acted in a racist way towards Asians, you can't complain now when all Europe treats you the same way you were treating Asians.

[–]aintscurrdscars 1281 points1282 points  (8 children)

getting punched by an Italian

plot twist, that's the guy that brought it home with him

[–]derpydoodaa 361 points362 points  (0 children)

"That inconsiderate Asian put it on my knuckles..."

[–]XxsquirrelxX 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Punching someone you think is infected isn’t the smartest idea. It’s like trying to keep the moths away by keeping your lights on.

[–]Signifying--Nothing 16 points17 points  (0 children)

That’s pure irony.

[–]T_Rikki 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Did he wash his hands afterwards?

[–]TotallyNotanOfficer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He knew what was to be created by meeting that man, so he did what was necessary.

[–]wannacumnbeatmeoff 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This happened in UK also.

[–]evanc1411 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He touched his face

[–]inanepyro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Plot twist more, that's Super Mario trying to evade his Japanese owners.

[–]taikutsuu 212 points213 points  (83 children)

I'm in the Netherlands and an asian girl got badly hurt at university here two weeks ago. Group of guys sang a song about the virus in the elevator (stupid radio station made it up, the dutch are ridiculous), she asked them to stop and then later woke up in the same elevator, memory “wiped” (*girl doesn’t remember being attacked and woke up unconscious, likely either some kind of brain trauma from hitting the floor or psychological, sorry for phrasing it loosely) and with knife wounds. Guys apparently said they'd "wipe out" the virus like that. I'm really disgusted.

Link to the article for all the people who refuse to believe that people can be racist and violent. This website is affiliated with the university, so unless my university finds joy in lying to people this story is legitimate. https://universonline.nl/2020/02/27/student-attacked-campus-housing-complex-sang-coronavirus-pulled-out-knives

[–]DeseretRain 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Even aside from it being evil, if you thought someone was spreading infection why on earth would you want to stab them and get their blood on you? Or even touch them at all?

[–]paradisebot 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Because they’re inherently racist. They know the person doesn’t have it. They just use it as an excuse to show their true colors.

[–]volvogram 38 points39 points  (8 children)

Source? There was a horrible incident with racist markings in an elevator in dorms in Wageningen, but this is the first I’ve heard of a stabbing.

[–]taikutsuu 36 points37 points  (7 children)

I'm not sure to what extent the wounds were, but those two incidents are very similar then. We had these articles displayed on some digital displays throughout campus, I think it's partly owned by our university, so I assume the information is all legitimate. You just need to scroll down a bit to read it :)

https://universonline.nl/2020/03/02/asian-students-targeted-outbreak-coronavirus-discrimination

[–]volvogram 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wow, that is horrible! Can't believe that's not the first thing that pops up on google

[–]BeeTris 6 points7 points  (7 children)

Was this in the news? Because this is a wild story

[–]taikutsuu 6 points7 points  (5 children)

News here suck. Not to make this situation about anything else than the victim- but if there’s a chance the attackers were immigrants or foreigners (this being an international university, the chance is very high), there’s a much lower chance it’ll be reported. Germany and the Netherlands are notorious for severely under-reporting any kind of violence or crimes perpetrated by immigrants for the fear of appearing anti-immigration, even if it would be in defense of another minority. It’s really really bad.

[–]wyota 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of people are bitter that China's where it started in but now they're not even in the top 5 worst hit countries anymore. South Korea is also past its peak. But Europe, Iran and North America are getting it worse because people love to hug, kiss, and go out a lot at night due to cultural differences. Also, Italians are ignoring curfew and quarantine. Hardly a single South Korean disobeyed quarantine even though it's a lenient democracy.

[–]Elen-Han 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I’m Korean, live in Seoul, but I’ve heard racism about Korean according to several news or online newspaper. Even before infectees increses in my country... So I am glad your saying. Of course, I know there are many good people, but the memories like that is stamped to foreigners like me than good memories. Thank you! Please keep healthy!

[–]quijote3000 27 points28 points  (2 children)

If you think he is infected, why would you punch a person, your body going in contact with that person? Seriously...

[–]Rexam14 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I was asking myself the same question while I was watching that video (you can view it here by the way).

[–]morado_mujer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because if you punch hard enough it punches the virus!

[–]LigeiaQc 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My gf is asian and we are in canada , still nothing big happening. I swear to you people have been looking at us with weird eyes for the past 2 weeks. That is complete bs she as been adopted and here for the past 25 years.

[–]namelessfuck 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Use someone's race as the only criterion for determining whether someone has the virus
Step 2: Punch/touch the person that they think has the virus to increase the chances of getting the virus themselves

Nice logic.

[–]PhilippineRealEstate 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck. I just messaged my Italian friend to keep safe. I'll punch him when he visits back here.

[–]SmilingAndCrying 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That incident really shows it's not about the disease and just an excuse for people to be racist. If they really thought he was a carrier they wouldn't have touched him.

[–]ybsremoS 36 points37 points  (14 children)

Many Italians treat Filipinos and Asian immigrants/workers like crap though and its racist as fuck. They have this “superior” attitude just because they hve more money than them... the same wealth they extorted due to colonialism. I’m not saying Italians deserved it but you guys should change your ways.

[–]support_support 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Filipino guy here. Going to florida next week. Ppl usually assume I'm Mexican rather than chinese, however, who knows considering the current situation. Very curious how its gonna go.

[–]RebelPhilosopher105 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would you punch them even if they did have the virus?

[–]dekusyrup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of Russel Crowe fightin round the world. "Well I couldnt find cancer, but i found a man with cancer!"

[–]Zhurg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why would you punch somebody you believed to be sick with a virus?

[–]Burnyface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Umm, so if you’re worried about someone having a contagious disease, instead of keeping your distance, you should punch them?! Just....so many levels of stupidity.

[–]VanillaGhoul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, that was their reaction instead of keeping distance? What does punching someone solve anyway when it is an infectious disease? I don’t think anyone is thinking straight. I recently received news that the corona virus had been found in my city now. From the hospital closest to me no less.

It’s unlikely I will catch it considering I’m in the healthy young adult demographic. However I am worried my mother might catch it. Seriously, this pandemic is getting out of hand now. About as bad as the Spanish influenza of 1919.

[–]OffBunburying 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the American Redditors, we can start by being mindful of our own behavior. https://www.npr.org/2020/03/02/811363404/when-xenophobia-spreads-like-a-virus

[–]bhairavp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You think that's bad? Here in India we have around 50 confirmed cases. That's it. No deaths so far. But we have a large population from the North East of the country that has Mongoloid features and people on the mainland are avoiding them, acting totally racist, despite them being told that the North Eastern people are as Indian as the main landers are, and haven't been to, or come from, China.

[–]Awkward-Loquat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The guy punched him? When he thought he might have the Coronavirus? Is he dumb or is he just hoping he can catch it as well?

[–]PokemonFan07 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hey, not all of italians are like this! Please don't generalize!

[–]Rexam14 34 points35 points  (0 children)

You're right, I am sure of it BUT there is also a not so small percentage of Italians who is that way. You can see it from the queues to the supermarkets, from the fact that the first reaction of imposing boundaries for safety reasons was to break the law and escape, from the ~34% of people who were willing to vote Salvini only because of immigration and racism, from those who badge at work in public administration and then go to the supermarket minding their own businesses. We have records in that sense, it's undeniable.

[–]teddybearcastles 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I teach an ESL class for international graduate students at my university (upstate NY). This year one of my students it’s from Wuhan and all of the others are Chinese.

We’ve been talking about covid-19 obviously, and they told me that as scared as they are about their family back home, the reaction in the states is what’s really bothering them. None of them went home for winter break (so they haven’t been in China since summer) but they said they’re feeling ostracized. Their roommates don’t want to talk to them, their social life is dead, and even professors/advisors are keeping their distance.

The ESL coordinator even sent me an email asking if I felt comfortable continuing the class...I don’t get how people are so scared of each other. They’re just people, albeit people who’s friends and family are at more risk than most. We should be reaching out to those members of our community and comforting them, not shunning them.

[–]kimchispatzle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So sad. They probably already feel homesick and worried.

I'm also worried. I am worried about the older people in my family and their health and also worried about us all experiencing racism. I can handle shit but it would really upset me if other family members get treated badly. I'm mainly worried about violence.

[–]OvechkinsYellowLaces 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I'm Australian and on a popular Aussie forum there was someone worried about traveling to Sydney and they asked if they should avoid Chinatown lol. Another user told him/her the virus doesn't hatch out of Chinese people haha.

I live next to the (small) Chinatown in my city and thankfully people have been pretty good but that's probably more due to the fact there's heaps of Asians where I live.

[–]Lexodus22 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's so insane, I was on the road yesterday (not in Italy) and I needed to eat somewhere, well I picked the Thai place for a reason, as I assumed I was almost alone in there.

[–]Sullan08 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's weird cuz I live in a pretty big college town that is full of Asian students (good math and science school, yay stereotypes) and no one really seems to give a fuck. Most couldn't afford to go back home over break anyway (work in a store and over breaks Asians are like 90% of our clientele since everyone else has left) so I was never concerned they were bringing anything back. I kinda get it, but still...relax people who do that.

[–]RebelPhilosopher105 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have noticed that at school. I live in Indiana so most of our Asian students have been here the whole school year but now people are shunning them because they think they could have the virus somehow.

[–]ClubMeSoftly 7 points8 points  (4 children)

A Taiwanese friend of mine is getting evicted, solely because the landlord is scared they'll go to Taiwan, come back, and be sick.

[–]teddybearcastles 4 points5 points  (3 children)

That seems highly illegal and potentially like something the ACLU would be interested in

[–]ClubMeSoftly 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The landlord apparently knows it's illegal, but is doing it anyway.

We all told our friend to squeeze the idiot for everything he could.

(Get this, the idiot actually left a paper trail about it!)

[–]broadened_news 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I am ordering more Chinese food. It’s contrived but what other gesture can I make?

[–]tinydancer_inurhand 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have literally had all types of asian food in the last couple days. If anything, Italian restaurants near me are more worrisome as many of them are family owned by immigrant families that visit their own families in Italy often.

[–]SaftigMo 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I'm a cashier in Germany and I prefer Asian customers because they tend to pay with card instead of cash, and I know how unlikely it is that they were in China in the last few months. I don't freak out but I really try to avoid fellow Germans the most, because it seems they are the least aware of how unhygienic their behaviour is.

[–]MovingWayOverseas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was in the checkout line at Edeka earlier this week and some old German man was open-mouth coughing on me. I was like, dude, really? Do you have any self-awareness?

[–]grendus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One of my Indian friends here in the US said she tries very hard not to cough or sneeze on the train because people freak out. She also doesn't have a very hard time finding a seat because there's usually an open one next to an East-Asian person.

There's only been one case in our entire metropolitan area but people are acting like it's 28 Days Later.

[–]Gamergeek57 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I live in canada so we never got hit bad by it yet ( must be god taking pity on us for all the cold weather we get ) anyway a few months ago a Chinese restaurant in one t Of the Uni cities on my island posted a sign In chinese asking any chinese person to not come and eat in store due to possibly having the virus

[–]Psychedelic_Roc 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's baffling. I guess the people running the place aren't Chinese?

[–]yrfrndnico 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Theres a few videos on reddit of people bullying asian kids and attacking Asian people over this

[–]izaby 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Funny you say that. Friday the week before I was sitting in my uni class and the moment I sneezed or blowed my nose, the only two chinese people there spoke it to each other and eyed up in my direction.

I wasn't even feeling particularly unwell, the room was just a bit too breezy for my liking.

[–]RedUnicorn009 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard the same thing, it’s very sad that people aren’t educated. I’m sorry for peoples ignorance:(

[–]ChinoWreckingMachino 16 points17 points  (1 child)

This is going to sound controversial , but as a brown man of Islamic heritage , the eastern Asians have taken the heat off’ us bearded brown men for a while . People are more afraid of Chinese people at airports now than they are off brown dudes . It’s nice to catch a break for a while and not be the most hated and feared ethnic Minority in the Western Hemisphere for a while . I’m sure people will go back to screaming terrorist once this shit dies down though .

[–]corgisundae 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You're welcome. I'll see you at the next Minority Meeting in July where we will hold a vote to delegate the next group to be feared/hated.

PS - Don't forget to bring that lovely potato salad you made at the last meeting. Give the wife and kids my best!

[–]mpod89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's just how Germans usually react to Italians

[–]shoangore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When the outbreak first started hitting Kirkland in Washington, I was in a town south-east shopping for pasta. Was comparing prices on two brands, and heard a cart coming down the aisle. I stepped backwards to let the person through, and the lady looked up from her phone, saw I was asian, and just immediately pulled a 180 and sprinted back down the other direction.

Things have gotten better now though.

[–]usernameowner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, am asian

[–]Vew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People avoid sitting next to my sister on the DC metro. She was born here and hasn't been out of the country in decades.

[–]aintscurrdscars 713 points714 points  (100 children)

and that we have to give our contribution to avoid the spreading.

omg i wanna live anywhere but the US so badly right now, here it's more like "take what you think you need to avoid the dying and screw everyone else that's actually high risk or just needs N95s for working in construction"

-grumpy sheet rock worker that can't find masks to avoid cancer causing dust

[–]matches05 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Not that it's very reassuring, but in Italy we mostly ignored suggestions in the beginning as well. Now that we've reached a point of no return people are taking it more seriously. Still lots of dumb people.

Other counties should learn from our mistakes! But of course easier said than done

[–]Razakel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think anyone really expected prompt, honest and decisive action from the Italian government.

[–]Kale8888 17 points18 points  (1 child)

As a finish carpenter I spray lacquer and sand MDF all the time, and not having a mask is pretty brutal. I can only imagine what the painters are going thru

[–]d542east 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As someone that does a lot of work with composites, you should really get a half or full face respirator with the correct cartridges when you're doing regular work with aerosols or fine dusts like that.

[–]Rexam14 280 points281 points  (65 children)

I have American cousins living in NY from almost three generations. They are part of my family and I love them so much. In this very moment I am pretty concerned for them. I think this crisis will show how inappropriate the US health system is. For what I have read, tampons swabs are super expensive and therefore people are not getting tested. I think only California offered free swabs so far.

In addition, Trump is not helping at all with it.

Edit: I meant "swabs", not "tampons". Sorry about that.

[–]nursebeast 151 points152 points  (6 children)

By tampons maybe you mean swabs.

In US English, "tampons" usually refers to the ones used during menstruation.

[–]Rexam14 80 points81 points  (5 children)

I corrected it. Sorry about that.

[–]OsonoHelaio 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Don't be sorry, I needed that laugh. I have cousins in Italy, but I don't really know them. My mom and her cousins were really the last generation to keep the ties. My sister learned Italian and is applying for citizenship by blood. Maybe someday I will too

[–]Artist850 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same here. My cousin is applying for it too. I am contemplating it. Maybe when this worldwide mess is over. My husband and I are learning Italian just for fun. È bellissima.

[–]nursebeast 29 points30 points  (0 children)

You're good.

[–]Processtour 37 points38 points  (14 children)

I read somewhere that testing and treatment could cost $1,000 for people who are not insured.

I am also concerned about workers rights. 14 day quarantines would mean no pay and if this all hurts the economy, they could all lose their jobs will little unemployment social nets. They could be evicted from apartments and mortgage companies could foreclose on their homes in the long term. Trump is not addressing policy to protect Americans from the fallout from COVID-19.

[–]dopkick 30 points31 points  (7 children)

Maryland declared a state of emergency so the governor could step in and mandate that all COVID-19 testing is free, regardless of insurance status, ability to pay, deductibles/limits, etc. It's just free.

It does not address the issue of treatment and loss of salary, but it's a step in the right direction. Those are also drastically more complicated and challenging issues than providing free testing.

[–]Processtour 4 points5 points  (6 children)

This will be our stress test on our current medical and economic model, that’s for sure.

[–]dopkick 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Agreed. I think if we can stay ahead of it, we'll be fine. But if the USA turns into something like Italy the healthcare system is going to struggle mightily. People with poor insurance or no insurance will avoid expensive treatment.

And even if testing is free, people might be reluctant to get tested lest they end up quarantine for 2-3 weeks and lose 2-3 weeks worth of pay. People without adequate savings to take 2-3 weeks off work (most people) will continue working, if possible, even if they are walking COVID-19 spreading machines. When faced with the choice of defaulting on loan obligations or spreading the virus to coworkers, most people are going to choose the latter. And that's really what the decision boils down to - "do I want to pay my bills?"

[–]Processtour 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just texted my cousins in Italy. They are. It stressed about the quarantine because there is an adequate safety net. In the US, a week without pay could be too much for their own financial system. Unfortunately, people may hide their zombie bites.

[–]mozfustril 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Trump is not addressing policy to protect Americans from the fallout from COVID-19.

I'm not a Trump fan, but they are literally working on this right now. Trump himself said he wants a plan that helps hourly workers who are affected. People need to stop being willfully ignorant about what's happening around them just because they dislike a political party or person.

[–]Processtour 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Thanks for the enlightenment. Right now, garnering information is like trying to catch a really fast moving target. Consider that before accusing everyone of being blatantly ignorant.

Also, he hasn’t addressed specifics about his economic plan:

“The White House is not ready to roll out specific economic proposals in its response to the widening impact of the coronavirus outbreak, administration officials told CNBC.... [I]nside the administration, some officials were stunned by Trump's claim Monday that he would hold a press conference Tuesday to announce an economic plan.”

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-promises-unveil-economic-plan-doesn-t-yet-exist-n1154066

[–]barktreep 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wish it was a $1000. If you go to the ICU, it's more like $3000 a day.

[–]allthewayup7 42 points43 points  (7 children)

Wait I’m confused.. you’re saying that people aren’t getting tested for the virus in the US because tampons are expensive? I’m failing to see the correlation there...

[–]kimchispatzle 57 points58 points  (2 children)

I'm guessing it's a typo lol kind of hilarious

[–]guareber 19 points20 points  (1 child)

In italian, the swabs are called "tamponi", or "tampone" for singular. That's why.

[–]kimchispatzle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahhaha got it, your comments made me laugh hysterically a few times, so you made my day during these anxious times.

[–]MinxyChick 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I think testing autocorrected to tampons.

[–]Propenso 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Nope, it's a case of "false friends".

Swab is "Tampone" in Italian, tampon translating to completely different expression.

[–]MinxyChick 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! :-)

[–]abcPIPPO 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Swabs are called tamponi in italian.

[–]phantomapfel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Massachusetts and Vermont have offered free testing, I believe. I'm currently in VT, and my brother's girlfriend just got tested for free.

[–]cutestain 10 points11 points  (1 child)

As far as I can tell most Americans think it will pass us by. People are terrible at understanding what is coming and feel fine changing nothing.

[–]bundt-cake-rules 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m in the US, I’ve been following the story of the Coronavirus since about mid-January, and I’ve been shitting my pants (metaphorically) for almost two months now. Even my extremely low-key heads-ups about how the situation has been developing has me looking like a nutcase to my coworkers, who are all, “It’ll be like having a cold! People are hysterical! I’m not canceling my trip.” It’s frustrating to the point where I just about want to cry. (And I’m a pretty level-headed person in a crisis.) Even today, when my company sent out a mass email that they had banned office-wide events, travel, etc etc, my manager was like, “Why are they making such a big deal about this? Everyone just needs to calm down!”

[–]essenoh2you 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I know in MA, all health insurances are covering getting tested now. Of course that doesn't help if you don't have health insurance...

[–]SuperSMT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also medicare covers all tests for seniors

[–]californiaisdead 2 points3 points  (4 children)

This is not true. California isn’t offering free testing. I live in California. Anyone can ask their Dr to test, Quest labs now has the test available - you need to ask.

[–]Rexam14 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Do you have to pay then to get tested?

[–]Redassassin2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What happens when we have our pandemic response team cut for more funding. Fucking bullshit.

[–]Ephemeral_Being 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Mate, unless they're 80 years old they're going to be fine. The fatality rate is really, really low if you're under 40. Don't panic. It's highly improbable that they even contract the virus, let alone sustain any lasting effects.

Your stock portfolio and holiday plans are in more danger than you are, in most cases.

[–]orange_blossoms00 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A lot of politicians are up in the higher age range...

[–]TotesAShill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. The human suffering caused by the panic surrounding the disease is greater than the human suffering caused by the disease. The panic is causing more harm than the disease itself.

[–]ThingsUponMyHead 37 points38 points  (2 children)

US pharmacy tech here. Constantly being bombarded by the same question over and over; followed up by people guilt tripping me for their own mistakes.

"Do you have any masks/hand sanitizer/ alcohol/ pads?"

No. We've been out since mid February. If you heard about these items on the news, I'm sorry to break it to you, but there were others who took this far more seriously than you and bought all this before everyone else started freaking out.

Usually followed up with something like, "I'm immune suppressed, what am I supposed to do? Just die?"

I'm truly sorry that's the case. But it changes nothing, I can't get more items in, and those that do are gone within the hour. There is a global pandemic occuring and you are just merely 1 in 7,000,000,000 people who are all freaking out about this.

On the flip side of things; I have a patient I've gotten to know rather well. Sweet and kind older gentleman and his wife. They came through our drive through asked us "Do you guys have any N95's?" We told them we didn't and weren't expecting any anytime soon; so they gave us a full bag of masks for safekeeping. Can't tell you how much that meant to my pharmacist, especially since they're having their first kid soon.

[–]OpenWater12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm with you. They were all out of respirators at the paint store because people were buying them all up, without buying paint (as confirmed by store staff). Meanwhile, people with actual need are getting screwed into having more risk for themselves.

I heard about someone pissed off that they can't go to Disney with their family anymore because of concerns with coronavirus. "It's like the flu, and the liberal media is making it so much worse than it is."

[–]ChipotleMayoFusion 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I was at Home Depot to get some bits, and there was a sad gaggle of drywallers milling about asking different orange aprons how they can get masks. They were incredulous, "even the full cartridge respirators?", "Yes, anything mask like is gone, please check at Customer Service first thing in the morning."

[–]FerretFromMars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a cashier at Home Depot, as soon as the virus had a confirmed case in America, we were out of all our masks within a few days. Now they don't even last a few hours. It used to be I would see someone buying them every few days or so, now I have to deal with frustrated workers who cannot get what they need because someone's grandma bought 15 of them.

[–]CullenDelmore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So far I've had much better luck getting the 3M cartridges for my half face piece instead of the disposable N95s. The cost is higher, but you usually don't need to toss them too quickly. I don't spend all my working days in a cloud of gypsum dust though, so I don't know how long they last in that application.

[–]ClownfishSoup 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Last year during the wildfire season in California, you couldn’t find an n95 mask anywhere. Nothing online either. Everywhere was sold out. But lots of backorders. Lots of waiting at Home Depot for the trucks to unload. Nothing. Once the smoke died down you could find them again and some people stocked up.

However, they say to only wear the mask if you already have the virus to prevent spreading it and to stop buying them so medical workers can have them. Because they won’t help you on your day to day life, but they need them.

[–]Taellion 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not throwing shade at you, why not consider wearing half face respirator?

With a properly fitted respirator and the correct filter, offers better protection, is reusable and is more economically.

[–]EasyGmoney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yea, I know what you mean. Superintendent here, and this stuff is crazy

[–]Davecantdothat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

"I got mine, so fuck you and your family!" is going yo replace "Land of the free, home of the brave." shortly.

[–]jwestbury 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It replaced it a long time ago. Why do you think we don't have universal health care? Because I work to support my family, not yours, and you can get fucked if you get sick.

[–]Positivistdino 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yeah, we Americans are total pieces of shit when it comes to crisis resources.

[–]Kennysded 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel your pain. I just spent the last hour cutting concrete with no mask. Just turned the hose up high and left a giant muddy mess that might cause someone to fall into a ten foot hole instead..

[–]Sullan08 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No joke just tie a long washcloth, bandana or t-shirt around your face. There's even vids on how to make (almost) legitimate dust masks out of shirts.

[–]weltherrscherin 209 points210 points  (37 children)

Please don’t buy face masks „just in case“. They are in short supply now and medical professionals (who actually need them) are having trouble finding them, because the public bought them „just in case“.

Most masks you can buy are actually NOT to protect you from others, but to protect others from you. So if you’re showing symptoms you would need a mask to help not spread anything if you for some reason would have to leave the house.

General overview over the available masks: Paper masks are basically useless, surgical masks prevent you from spreading germs via droplets to others, N-95 masks work well in protecting you, but are horrible to use. The fit needs to be good. If you can easily breathe in them, they are not fitting well. They are not recommended for long term use. Re-usable masks like EZ are useless in this situation. They offer the perfect breeding ground for bacteria and only protect against dust and bigger particles.

[–]Sattorin 34 points35 points  (16 children)

General overview over the available masks:

I hope that you'll take a moment to look at these studies showing that masks, even home-made cloth masks, can help prevent the wearer from becoming infected by respiratory viruses. The data shows that infection rates can be reduced when the general public wears masks.

National Institutes of Health - Home-made cloth masks reduce permeation even of tiny 0.02 µm–1 µm particles by 50%, with surgical masks reducing permeation by 75% even during real-world activities. Considering that droplet transmission viruses (like the one causing COVID19) often require larger droplets than that, these masks could be even more effective against this particular virus.

Quote:

Any type of general mask use is likely to decrease viral exposure and infection risk on a population level, in spite of imperfect fit and imperfect adherence, personal respirators providing most protection.


International Journal of Infectious Diseases - This one shows surgical masks preventing the wearer from being infected when living with someone who has the flu.

Quote:

We found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a pandemic, we would expect compliance to improve. In compliant users, masks were highly efficacious.


Journal of the American Medical Association - This study of 446 nurses in Ontario hospitals showed that n95 masks and surgical masks offered similar protection from viral infection for the wearer.

Quote:

Our data show that the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza was similar in nurses wearing the surgical mask and those wearing the N95 respirator. Surgical masks had an estimated efficacy within 1% of N95 respirators.


National Institutes of Health - Surgical masks offer almost as effective filtration efficiency against simulated particles as n95 masks.

Quote:

The in-vivo filtration tests illustrated that N95 respirators filtered out 97% of potassium chloride (KCl) solution, while surgical masks filtered out 95% of KCl solution.


And for the coup de grâce, here's one published in Emerging Infectious Diseases (the journal of the CDC) with a juicy quote:

We present the results of a prospective clinical trial of face mask use conducted in response to an urgent need to clarify the clinical benefit of using masks. The key findings are that <50% of participants were adherent with mask use and that the intention-to-treat analysis showed no difference between arms. Although our study suggests that community use of face masks is unlikely to be an effective control policy for seasonal respiratory diseases, adherent mask users had a significant reduction in the risk for clinical infection. Another recent study that examined the use of surgical masks and handwashing for the prevention of influenza transmission also found no significant difference between the intervention arms (12).

Our study found that only 21% of household contacts in the face mask arms reported wearing the mask often or always during the follow-up period. Adherence with treatments and preventive measures is well known to vary depending on perception of risk (27) and would be expected to increase during an influenza pandemic. During the height of the SARS epidemic of April and May 2003 in Hong Kong, adherence to infection control measures was high; 76% of the population wore a face mask, 65% washed their hands after relevant contact, and 78% covered their mouths when sneezing or coughing (28). In addition, adherence may vary depending on cultural context; Asian cultures are more accepting of mask use (29). Therefore, although we found that distributing masks during seasonal winter influenza outbreaks is an ineffective control measure characterized by low adherence, results indicate the potential efficacy of masks in contexts where a larger adherence may be expected, such as during a severe influenza pandemic or other emerging infection.

[–]weltherrscherin 6 points7 points  (15 children)

That is one of the most thought-out and well written comments I have seen on Reddit in the past eight years. If not THE most.

Thank you.

[–]Sattorin 10 points11 points  (14 children)

I live in Korea, where everyone is wearing a mask to protect not only themselves but also each other. But I'm from the US, with family there. So it's been hard to hear the CDC and WHO telling people that masks aren't necessary when every single study on the subject says that they can save lives, even if people have to make their own. I look at pictures of the 1918 pandemic, seeing Americans wearing masks who had to watch their friends and family die before they learned the lesson of wearing them to slow the infection. And I am broken by the thought of how many are going to die before the lesson is learned again.

[–]arienh4 6 points7 points  (13 children)

They're telling people that masks aren't necessary because the good they do for most people is marginal, and the harm of a mask shortage for healthcare professionals is enormous. Many more people will die if the supply is in the hands of the general public than if they are in hospitals where they're supposed to be.

As soon as there is no risk of a shortage for the people who'll keep the infected alive, then it's fine to tell people masks work a little bit.

[–]Sattorin 6 points7 points  (12 children)

They're telling people that masks aren't necessary because the good they do for most people is marginal

The data does not show that "the good they do for most people is marginal". There is no data supporting that statement. The studies above show, as one of them explicitly states "In compliant users, masks were highly efficacious" and "adherent mask users had a significant reduction in the risk for clinical infection".

And what was the main variable for compliance/adherence? It's how seriously the threat was being taken. Tell people the threat is significant, ask them to wear cloth masks to reduce the chance of infection, see reduced infection rates as a result.

As soon as there is no risk of a shortage for the people who'll keep the infected alive, then it's fine to tell people masks work a little bit.

Yes, obviously healthcare workers should get quality masks first. But the way to make that happen isn't to spread misinformation about the efficacy of masks. The way to make that happen is for the government to seize them as a national security resource and distribute them appropriately, as China has done, or ration them as Korea is doing.

Lives could be saved by asking people to wear cloth masks now, especially in high-risk areas. But because the CDC/WHO started out with misinformation about masks, most people aren't going to wear them. There was already limited cultural acceptance of mask wearing in the US as it was, and now if you wear one outside you'll have people saying "oh that doesn't do anything unless you're the sick one", which is what half the comments about masks are here on reddit.

I want the rest of the world (and especially my home country) to slow their infection rates as effectively as South Korea, China, Singapore, and Taiwan have. But that's not going to happen unless we start using the tools that are being used in those countries.

[–]Rexam14 28 points29 points  (16 children)

I am very well aware of it. That's why I waited since yesterday to buy only two masks in case I would needed them. The pharmacy told me that they are getting a lot more masks by the end of this week so I think they are not running out of stock yet here. Also, I am taking all the precautions of the case to try not to get the virus and avoid the spreading.

In my case, the situation in Germany seems also not so good "in a future prospective". From the latest news, what I understood is that they are trying to go on until they can. The quarantine are majorly decided by the private companies. At school, classes are quarantined only if a child shows symptoms or if someone is coming back from a red zone. A friend of mine traveled from Naples to Dusseldorf last weekend and he could spot the difference: in Italy people keep distance from each other's, wear masks and try to avoid contacts. In Germany everything is moving on as nothing's happening.

[–]weltherrscherin 30 points31 points  (14 children)

I‘m in Germany as well. And I think the general approach here is pretty reasonable.

A governmental required shutdown is causing panic (as seen in Italy when everyone left for the South). And paniced people operate irrational. Shutting down schools and kindergartens without having a backup plan for child care is overreacting imho. If the parents still have to work, who is watching the children? Companies that were against remote working are now rapidly improving in that area. But they do it because they suddenly realized that it’s not just „nice to have“ but absolutely necessary going forward. If the government told them to close down and implement remote working solutions there would habe been a major outcry for overregulation. Keeping up with a somewhat „normal“ living situation in a relatively unknown situation appears to be the right solution.

BUT German society could majorly improve on how they view being sick. It’s still common for people to come to work sick (even tho they get paid while sick) so they appear hard working and dedicated. You’re not sick enough to stop working unless you’re basically dying. Hope this changes soon.

And it’s almost impossible over here to get tested. The efforts of health care, special hotlines, local doctors, hospitals and governments are not aligned. Local doctors don’t do tests, the government agencies tell you to call the hotline and the hotline tells you to talk to your local doctor. So nobody really knows the state of infection for Germany. Tested but negative cases are not documented, nobody knows how many tests have been conducted and there are probably plenty of unreported cases because they didn’t get testes.

[–]mschuster91 12 points13 points  (6 children)

So nobody really knows the state of infection for Germany.

German here. I believe that this is intentional. Mass-scale testing of the population would probably yield so many cases that chaos would break out.

The fact that our health minister is more a hot-air-balloon and our interior minister only cares about "refugees" as infection vectors doesn't help either...

[–]hebia1234 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Switzerland is only testing the really ill patients now, that's one way to keep your numbers low...

[–]MissSammyJam 1 point2 points  (1 child)

really? where did you get that from? Am swiss, need source

[–]hebia1234 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read it in 20 Minuten, it's in the new rules from the BAG per 9.3.

[–]weltherrscherin 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I‘m not sure if it’s intentional or just incompetent. Either way I agree with you on the Gesundheits- and Innenminister.

I think that „flächendeckend“ (google translate says nationwide, but thats not what I’m trying to say) testing could actually help keep panic down. „95% of people tested negative“ sounds better then „3-4% fatalities“. Because Bild Zeitung is not going to explain the Grundgesamtheit of the tests and only care for the most panic inducing headline possible.

Proper testing AND proper education is the way to go in my opinion.

[–]Aziraphale22 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My boyfriend's mom is like that - she goes to work no matter what. And she works in healthcare so I really don't understand how she thinks that's a good idea.

She even tried to make my boyfriend go to work when he was sick last week even though his doctor told him to stay home the rest of the week, and he had only missed one day of work in three years. It's absolutely ridiculous! Work is not more important than health!

[–]weltherrscherin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For my Mum you’re not sick as long as you’re not running a fever. I have NEVER run a fever as an adult. No matter how sick I was. My temperature tends to drop not go up if I’m sick.

So if I tell her I’m at home her first question is always if I have a fever. No Mum, there are other reasons to stay home than that.

Oh yeah and her „dedication“ actually lead to overworking and a stress induced chronical illness. Which she still denies. So Maybe me having seen first hand what could happen influenced my view on sick leave.

[–]jonnyhatesthesun 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My friend works in a medical lab where they do doctors tests. She tells me so many people get tested for covid, they are behind with analyzing the regular stuff. This is in SH, I don't know the situation anywhere else.

[–]screwedcitizenz 2 points3 points  (3 children)

you think so. I work in Berlin and people take sick days all the freaking time compared to London.

[–]weltherrscherin 4 points5 points  (2 children)

But you can’t compare to anything outside of Germany really. The sick leave regulations are not comparable.

So many people go to work „oh no, I’m just coughing not running a fever“ and get complimented for not letting their colleagues down. But they probably now infected the whole office.

For me once you show ANY sign of a transmitable disease, I much prefer you stay home. If you absolutely feel the need to work, maybe work remotely. As long as people are coming in sick they are not taking enough sick days in my opinion.

[–]justavault 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So many people go to work „oh no, I’m just coughing not running a fever“ and get complimented for not letting their colleagues down. But they probably now infected the whole office.

As someone who employed multiple individuals before, the first thing I do is kick her or him out when there is any symptom. If you are sick you work from home and get healthy, we don't need inefficient minds.

One person going sick into the office means 2 persons being sick and ineffective in a couple of days.

[–]lhyys00 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Advice from China. Any mask is better than no mask at all, even if you wear a scarf to make your mouth wechat business at least 50% more effective. The virus is mainly transmitted by droplets. Put anything in front of your mouth and nose and wear glasses to prevent droplets from flying into your eyes. Please be sure to wear a face mask, this is to reduce your at least 50% of the risk of infection.

China's mask capacity increase millions every day, and I believe that will soon be a large number of exports.

[–]aintscurrdscars 4 points5 points  (2 children)

blows my mind every day that people think an N95 is gonna save them any better than a homemade paper mask

just get something, anything, to cover your face. mostly to keep you from touching it.

the only other help a mask is gonna be is if someone with the virus coughs or sneezes directly on you. then it keeps that nasty outta your mouth, but again, a bandanna would do the same.

[–]weltherrscherin 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Masks majorly irritate the skin and give people a false sense of security. So studies have shown they actually touch their faces more and rub their eyes. Paper masks deteriorate pretty quickly with the water you’re breathing out.

Covering your face with fabric is a great way to spread any virus or bacteria. With your breathing you keep the fabric warm and moist thus creating a perfect breeding ground for germs. If you now sneeze you catapult a lot more germs into the air.

And the gaps in the fabric are big enough to let basically anything pass through. Have you tried sanding wood with a bandanna covering your face? You’ll still have sawdust in your nose and mouth. And sawdust is much larger then any virus or bacteria.

N95 are designed to protect you from 95% or particles. So obviously there are 5% they can’t protect you from, but those are not bacteria or virus.

[–]Skurk-the-Grimm 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I know exactly what you mean.

So many people are affraid at the moment...

I was on the tram with a female friend of mine who is half asian. When she cough a bit the guy next to her jumped and told her to get her filthy corona ass away from her....

People are realy horrible when they are scared.

[–]InflexusSerafina 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Don't feel that bad, I'm from Germany, too and yesterday I took the bus to buy some stuff and when a chinese lady (not even coughing) came in, everyone jumped up and ran out the bus or in the second part of the bus. I was the only one sitting with her and she was kinda...not puzzled but a little bit resigning...

[–]legionsanity 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is getting ridiculous especially if she wasn't coughing or showing other symptoms

[–]InflexusSerafina 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, I was baffled at first and thought we all had to leave the bus for whatever reason, but nope. Just a nice chinese lady, doing nothing. I felt really bad for her. :(

[–]kloppatam 2 points3 points  (4 children)

mother work in public administration

As a civil servant in a country that is probably going to enact these measures in a couple of weeks, I must ask if she has been told not to go to work or if it is business as usual. Well as usual as it can be.

[–]Rexam14 2 points3 points  (3 children)

They are enhancing methods to work from home and experimenting viable solutions to avoid people to come, but it's hard because under this aspect the system didn't change much from 20 years ago and now we're paying the price for that: still a lot of papers, f2f meetings and so on.

Also, this office have opening hours to the public and a lot of elders are coming anyway, instead of staying at home as recommended.

[–]kloppatam 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I seem to be in much the same situation as your mum. No remote working and lots of work still on paper.

I work in a police station so many of the people I work with are in contact with dozens of people each day. Fun times ahead!

[–]Rexam14 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah I understand that. The problem, in my mum's case, is that people are mostly unprepared, so even if methods to work from home exist, they pretty much don't know how to use them: they don't know how to share a screen with Microsoft Teams or how to give control of the cursor to the other person while in a conversation. The tech evolution didn't pass through our public offices and to our schools.

[–]kloppatam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I understand. I think it's mostly for security reasons I can't work from home as technically I can access very sensitive information. I'm sure there's way around it but they definitely won't be in place in the next few weeks.

[–]ParfortheCurse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So Italian is the new Asian. I heard there was a Chinese guy in Australia who had a heart attack and people were reluctant to do first aid because they thought he might have the virus

[–]ataleofpizza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel you! I had to go yesterday to the doctor, since I've got the flu for the last week and wanted to pick up my sick leave, I've got just a normal flu tho.

I'm currently living in Germany and my middle name is spanish but everyone pronounces it like it was italian. So, there I was, with a face mask they gave me, coughing my lungs out and then the receptionist calls my middle name out loud with the italian pronunciation, I swear that everyone in the waiting room wanted to dig a hole and disappear in it.

[–]MrsMI1UCAN2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We adopted from China at the height of the SARS hysteria. When we came home with our twins, it was total silence. No flowers. No congratulations.

That was what blew me away, people were so terrified of us that they couldn't even email or send a card ... from them to us.

Exactly none of this is surprising to me.

[–]i_dont_read_my_inbox 2 points3 points  (11 children)

As soon as I said I was Italian they "jumped away"

Turns out that people resort to racism pretty fucking quickly. They can try as they might to appear tolerant, the ugly truth always comes out in situations like this. Very embarrassing, I'm so sorry you had to experience this!

[–]blacklite911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next time lie and say Sicily.

[–]Eledren 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My brother lives in Bologna too, he told me there's still a huge queue in front of the supermarket. People aren't in the streets because they're all panicking for groceries.

[–]beckerszzz 1 point2 points  (2 children)

So if they're not allowed to work, do they still get paid? And if people aren't supposed to work, who is working at the supermarket?

[–]Rexam14 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's the biggest problem, most people are not getting paid. If your shop must stay closed because of the law, you wouldn't get any income and this is a problem. The Government guarantees essential services like supermarkets to stay open so people working there are getting payed instead. The situation is kinda confusing at the moment under this point of view.

[–]monja2009 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Bologna, as always, is showing its civilization. When you don't want to spread a desease you stay home.

[–]rachihc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My parents really dodged a a bullet, they live in Venice (Lido) but spend winter living in Peru where is summer. They probably won't go back for the summer this year. I am also now in Germany, but I don't talk to anyone outside anyhow.

[–]debatemeiambored 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The university in Ireland are extremely unlikely to accept him in April. My university in Dublin has just banned all lectures in lecture halls. Everything will be online. Exams are up in the air because large gatherings have to be avoided and exam halls would be too risky.

[–]JerkinMeGherkin 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What’s the situation like in Germany? I’m going to Hamburg soon but I imagine people are similar to the UK, just aware but not panicking.

[–]Rexam14 2 points3 points  (3 children)

In Germany the situation seems very stable. People are taking precautions, my office is offering to work more hours from home and you are quarantined if you have certain symptoms or if you came back from one of the red regions. People are not panicking as in Italy but some supermarkets went out of stock of toiler papers for example and other general needs.

[–]JerkinMeGherkin 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The toilet roll thing has me absolutely bamboozled? Coronavirus doesn’t give you diarrhoea so why are people stocking up on toilet paper?

[–]broadened_news 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a normal cold and when I went in to the clinic for a subsequent ear infection, the staff wore masks. It was reasonable but alienating. I feel bad for those who are suffering physically.

[–]apeaquatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Felt bad". If you think about it though, it's just a patterned behavior, proving once more we're animals. Hope this helps you not to feel so bad...

[–]TheMateSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm French but a part of my family is Italian, they live in a town near Bologna and they all got infected

[–]Abysswalker2187 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About the people being worried food is going to run out and are willing to assault stores to stay fed, if food supplies do run out, it’s going to be because of these people.

[–]Xiaulin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wow first people get scared of chinese here, now the next people are italians, dumb people. here in frankfurt everyone is like yeah corona is not harming us so we go to work, on the other side the people who travel to frankfurt to work take that virus (if they get it) to their homes like small towns or villages. i told my coworkers if it get spread in frankfurt i work from home, they started laughing but i think in the next 2 weeks they send everyone home to work from there because many other get the virus. just because its not that kind of harming virus it doesnt mean that you can spread it like its nothing.

[–]mo-jo_jojo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

which is not going to happen since supplies are guaranteed

So how does the quarantine work with food and rent? If people stay home from work won't they run out of money through no fault of their own? How's that being handled?

[–]Rexam14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What people outside Italy didn't get yet is that this is not a real quarantine: you can still move for working reasons or for important reasons (such as taking care of a 80yo relative). People must stay at home if they can: they cannot go out for party or chill with friends. If caught in these circumstances, they can be fined and they also risk prison.

[–]Sassifrassically 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People are crazy. I was at work and had a tickle in my throat and coughed and this guy who needed an order picked up wouldn’t get close enough to me so I could see his email or id. He practically threw a business card at me, then after I left it on the counter (we found it there later) he stuffed it into a pile of stuff.

There have been 0 cases in our county

[–]Rinaldi363 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m a Canadian with an Italian grandmother (Nonna). She lives in Toronto, and I think she could easily survive for 3 months without going to get groceries once.

Did the new generation of Italians not learn how to cook 😂 I’m just kidding though.

[–]tokionarita 1 point2 points  (1 child)

im curious, what do people with pets do? are you still allowed to walk your dog?

[–]kyleyle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Hey I’m just curious as to how it is in Germany? I’m a university student and got accepted to go abroad for an internship in Dresden, but I’m not sure if I should be worried about the virus, or even just the whole vibe in the country right now.

[–]Rexam14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most of the cases have currently been registered in Westfalia, the north west of Germany, less in the other zones and zero in Saxony. Here the virus doesn't seem to be an emergency yet. The positive cases have been isolated as much as they could. Also, private companies are trying to power up the home office alternative.

In my opinion, the general feeling is that the virus is underestimated in Germany. A friend of mine travelled from Naples to Dusseldorf last weekend and he could spot the difference: in Naples everybody was wearing a face mask and people were keeping the distance from each other's while in Dusseldorf there were no checks and the airport was active as usual. I honestly think that the cases in Germany are more than they say, but take it as an opinion.

[–]Alpha1959 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah people here in Germany are losing their minds over this.

Everyone began to buy tons of noodles, rice or cans, they expect the apocalypse to happen. Parents of a friend of mine have gone this far that they made a habit out of watching the news together just because there are coronavirus news. They talk about it everyday and started hoarding all kinds of stuff...

[–]Derbre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi. I am sorry that happend to you. Greetings from a fellow German.

[–]HeresWhatITyped 1 point2 points  (1 child)

From the US. I’ve read “supplies are guaranteed” in a few comments from those in Europe. What does that mean exactly? Just curious. Thanks.

[–]rock_harders 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am telling everyone I have been in Italy and wait for the horror in their eyes. Then I add "back in 1983." Looking forward to visit your beautiful country again when this shit is over.

[–]mitom2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the supermarket got assaulted multiple times from people concerning that they would have run out of food (which is not going to happen since supplies are guaranteed).

nothing is guaranteed these days. the supply chains are totally dependent on globalization. many products come from China. others need to be produced in ahutdown areas. i can't blame them. the question us rather: what to do? have police / army / mafia protect supermarkets? have it open for everyone, to reduce the risk of riots? every action now can be good or bad.

ceterum censeo "unit libertatem" esse delendam.